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Motown M 1057 (AA), April 1964
b/w Once Upon A Time
(Written by Clarence Paul, Mickey Stevenson and Barney Ales)
Stateside SS 316 (B), July 1964
B-side of Once Upon A Time
(Released in the UK under license through EMI / Stateside Records)
Not for the first time, Motown sent a hot new single out into the marketplace only to watch DJs flip the record over, ignoring the label’s chosen plug side to concentrate on what lay beneath. In the case of What’s The Matter With You Baby, the reason becomes clear as soon as the needle drops on this one. It’s so much more alive than the nominal A-side, Once Upon A Time, with an intro that grabs the listener by the lapels, Mary and Marvin doing their vocals-in-unison thing – Whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa! – against a rippling rhythm bed. Oh yes, this should have been the single. Definitely. This is great. What were they thinking?
On the basis of the first thirty seconds or so of What’s The Matter With You Baby, Motown come across like idiots for initially relegating this to the B-side. They realised their mistake soon enough – the picture sleeves (see below) pressed up to house this single billed What’s The Matter… as the A-side, and the two-headed chart assault led not to a fatal split in airplay and sales but to two separate Top 3 R&B and Top 20 pop hits.
But the impact of those riveting first few bars seems to have been enough to stop listeners throughout the years – including your own correspondent, for a while – from noticing that the song doesn’t do anything else for the rest of its two and a half minutes.
Seriously, go and listen to it again. Apart from the unexpectedly lively, sassy middle eight –
– Won’t you let me get on your good side?
– If I did that, Marvin, it would hurt my pride!
… followed by a great, pent-up frustration-releasing bellow-cum-roar from Marvin, the most vivid thing on the whole record? Well, apart from that, if you listen to the first half-minute of this, you’ve listened to the whole thing.
It’s repetitive, repetitive, repetitive, which isn’t necessarily a problem in itself (as we’ll see time and again further down the line once Motown had perfected the art), but it’s a flaw which just sucks the energy out of this one. The difficulty with the record is not only that it’s so thin, so insubstantial (which had been the problem with the A-side, Once Upon A Time). No – that’s definitely part of it, for sure, but the real difficulty is that it’s just so slapdash, almost shambolic; it’s not ready yet.
Once that intro is past, there’s nothing left to see. It’s not one of the great Motown intros as such, but it’s really arresting; it hints at warmth and depth and sassiness and fun, invites us to lean in closer, pay more attention. And when we do, that attention is rewarded with, well, nothing. It sounds like an ad-libbed jam session, a glorified vocal demo; the horn-laden middle eight aside, there’s not a lot really happening here on any level, musically, lyrically or even vocally.
That stretches to the emotional impact of the delivery, too – this is a dramatisation of a lovers’ tiff and the couple’s subsequent grudging reconciliation, subject matter which has proved to be fertile ground for duets throughout the history of pop, and you’d think that Mary Wells and Marvin Gaye – an exceptional actress and a moody, tortured soul respectively, and great vocalists both – would be perfect casting for such a record. But again, the middle eight aside, they might as well both be singing Bleep bloop blorp blarp! at each other for two minutes, such is the lack of passion. A well-executed duet should not reach the end with the listener still unsure as to whether it’s a breakup song, a makeup song or a get-together plea.
It probably sounds as though I’m savaging this, which isn’t really the intention. Like I said, the intro by itself is worth some credit – it’s plenty engaging, hinting at a record we never get to actually hear, a record better than the one we actually receive, but still it’s a fine start. And that middle eight is spectacular – I think Marvin’s hoarse, half-screamed HEY!!! at 1:27 is probably worth two out of ten just on its own. It’s not a train wreck; it’s just something of a surprise to realise it’s actually not all that great either.
I hadn’t listened to it for a while (and perhaps in retrospect that should have tipped me off), but… well. Working from memory, I had this down as at least a seven or an eight, but if ever a record fell apart under the scrutiny of repeated listens, this is it.
Nowhere near as good as it could have been, nowhere near as good as it thinks it is, and (perhaps most importantly) nowhere near as good as its opening half-minute suggests it’s going to be. It’s frustrating because there’s a germ of a good song in here waiting to burst forth, but it never arrives – even if the start and the middle are good enough to fool us into thinking otherwise.
MOTOWN JUNKIES VERDICT
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The Nixon Administration said:
Let the avalanche of “thumbs down” votes commence!
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John Plant said:
I spent the summer of 1964 looking after my recently widowed and wonderful grandmother in Elmira, NY’ who patiently followed all my enthusiasms… I remember stopping in a restaurant with her and playing this on the jukebox, explaining to her why it was such a great song… if this excitement from her grandson the opera-lover was startling, she didn’t show it! – I also had her reading Ayn Rand that summer. Well, the enthusiasm for Ayn Rand, thankfully, was short-lived; but this song hasn’t faded a bit. For me the highlight of the song is Mary, between clenched teeth, observing:
Leaving me wasn’t right/AND NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE ME OUT TONIGHT…which leads inexorably to YOUR high point, the magnificent break…. Agreed that this little comic opera lacks the subtleties that Shakespeare or Mozart would have brought to the situation… and even agreed that nothing much really happens – but Mary and Marvin put so much spirit into their exchanges that I find myself living the drama along with them, and grinning the whole time… and feeling a satisfying resolution when Mary delivers her verdict at the end: you get me back, but not tonight. So, yes, I give it a 9 – I know these are personal responses, but how you can prefer the Supremes’ ‘Never Again’ (which reflects my feelings after hearing the song once) to this is, I confess, baffling.
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The Nixon Administration said:
Well, I can help a little with the bafflement: we’re hearing different things in this one, because don’t think there is all that much “spirit” in these exchanges. For me they come across devoid of feeling, stripping the lyrics of their meaning. By contrast, that “believability” is what I like about Never Again; Diana Ross IS the wounded teenage girl, far more so than Marvin or Mary are able to become the protagonists here. This time, at least, it’s got nothing to do with the respective technical ability of the vocalists – it’s just a matter of whether it connects, whether I care about the characters.
I’d argue that Never Again is a far more well-constructed song than this one (it at least sounds finished, at any rate), but I think I’m in a minority with that view. It was just a surprise to listen to this one again and realise it wasn’t as well performed or skilfully put together as I’d remembered; it really does sound like a jam or a demo to these ears.
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John Plant said:
Silly of me to use your affection for a song you like to ‘pummel’ you over one that you don’t – clearly Never Again left an indelible mark on your soul, as this little duet did in mine. And yes, you’re right, it’s a question of belief – I’m a sucker for Mary’s seething indignation, and I always experienced the song as a little drama with a satisfying conclusion. And as always, even when you are (in my view) underrating a song which I deeply love, there’s always something illuminating about your analysis, and I’m happy that you latched on to Marvin’s splendid ‘bellow-cum-roar”… But I must confess to a slight tinge of disappointment that the anticipated storm of dissent never materialized!
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Matt W. said:
I expect most people disagree with the review, but I want to throw my support behind Nixon before he gets pummeled. I don’t like this one. I think it’s boring and monotonous and I agree it never goes anywhere. I don’t blame them for choosing “Once Upon a Time” as the A-side over this. Good vocals, but not a well written song at all.
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dvlaries said:
I have no problem with a ‘4’ either. Frankly, I get tired of the whoa-whoa-whoa’s throughout very early on. I like the relaxed sincerity (and the vibes section) of “Once Upon A Time” better, always have.
It’s strange to realize that this record went Top 20 Pop, while a far more energetic number like “In My Lonely Room” -at the same time, as a matter of fact- is stalling at 44. ( ! And by now, the tape of the Marvelettes’ “Knock On My Door” is sitting on a shelf, with increasing dust you could finger your initials in!) Maybe that is thanks to the goodwill each had just earned separately: he just gave us the energetic “Witness” and “Wonderful One” (with “Try It Baby” just around the corner), and two monumental solo sides by Mary are on the upswing as this duet was released.
Oh well, he says/she says sides are not Motown’s strong suit …yet.
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144man said:
So much livelier than the other side which almost sends me to sleep. I rate this a 7.
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mndean said:
This is a meh song for me as well. It’s not so much the lyrics, either. Neither side did or does much for me, and there are a lot of Motown songs from 1964 which were chart duds I like better.
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The Nixon Administration said:
I have to say, I’m surprised – but gratified! – to find this kind of agreement. I don’t write these things to be popular, and I know quite often my opinions can be rather different to the accepted norm (hence all the “Dissent is encouraged!” notices all over the site, lest anyone think I’m being precious about my opinions), but it’s nonetheless always a nice surprise when I’ve written something I think might be a bit controversial, and other people come forward to say they agree.
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MIchaelS said:
Another “7” here.
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Ed Pauli said:
Unfortunately, we don’t get a second chance as Mary was leaving Motown at this time. I still like the Once Upon a Time side better. Mary was wonderful with her ballads–she and Marvin did have a nice sound–whether they got along or not…..
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The Nixon Administration said:
Luckily, Motown had scheduled Mary’s next two singles very far in advance, so there are still some more reviews to come for Miss Wells, even if this was her last appearance on a released Motown 45.
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Ed Pauli said:
but the real pain comes in knowing that those songs however good they were, would not be released.
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The Nixon Administration said:
Well, time – and the advancement of technology – rights all such wrongs eventually. TCMS, Cellarful, Lost and Found, the Anthologies; combine them with iTunes and suddenly, for a 12 year old discovering Motown today, a Blackberries demo is as easy to buy as Baby Love.
Back in ’64, Mary made what turned out to be a bad choice, but she started releasing stuff on Fox almost straight away, so we end up with more to discover today than we might have if she’d not left Motown.
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Steven said:
I listen to a lot of music at work, mainly to drown out background conversations from the next room. This song always grabs me at the start, but by the time I’ve gotten about a minute into it, I skip to the next one, because this one becomes part of the background noise. Which is to say: Nixon is right, there isn’t much to listen to – the rest of the song isn’t there. A 4 rating sounds about right.
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Matt W. said:
Has anyone heard the Gaye/Wells album? Is it worth checking out?
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The Nixon Administration said:
As a historical curio, certainly – it’s always worth a punt to hear “new” Marvin or Mary material you haven’t heard before, and their voices do go very nicely together. As an artistic endeavour? No, not really; these two sides are the only two original cuts on the LP (I think – certainly they’re the only ones with recognisable Motown songwriters credited), the rest of it is filled with hokey MOR pseudo-standards. It all just sounds rushed and underproduced, so it’s a surprise to discover it apparently took the best part of a year to finish; most of the tracks also have at least one of the vocalists (and sometimes both) sounding bored or unenthusiastic.
The title track starts out with a big, exciting flourish before settling down (a trick repeated two or three more times throughout the album) and has a fun Merseybeat feel to it, marred by a horrible off-key trumpet solo; “The Late Late Show” has shades of “It Takes Two” about it, albeit about an eighth as good; “Deed I Do” is pleasingly sassy and works quite well on its terms. Otherwise, it’s not something I find myself going back to very often, to be honest.
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Tony said:
someone above said something about Marvin & Mary not getting along….I’ve never heard that before.In fact Marvin told Dick Clark that he loved how he & Mary sounded together & hoped to work with her more, ofcourse she listened to Herman & Robert West & left. I love WTMWYB & give it a strong 8.It made #17 on the POP charts & 2 on the R&B charts & Once Upon A Time #3 R&B & #19 Pop.They both could have been top ten POP if released separately.The artists SOLD those records, thats for sure. Great artists such as Mary & Marvin can take so-so material & make them spetacular.
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Thom said:
One thing that appears to be overlooked (and mars the song for me) is that it suffers from Led Zeppelin III syndrome – throughout, there’s a really distracting squeak, possibly from an unoiled drum pedal that a mic has picked up, starting at 0.44 and pretty much on the beat from there on in. Once you notice it, it’s really distracting.
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bogart4017 said:
Yep–what Thom said. But despite the squeaky drum petal, this played everywhere in the neighborhood back in ’64.
This is a 7 or 8 to me. I’m not sure what people are looking for in this piece, but i see it as a lovers quarrel with a backbeat. A danceable 45, a 60’s version of “A Rockin’ Good Way” and “Baby You Got What It Takes”, the Brook and Dinah of Detroit.
Its suppose to be fun folks! Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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